apparently someone fell in the new room from pretty high (15-20ft maybe?) a couple of weeks ago because their belayer wasnt paying attention. He cracked his head open on the floor. Has anyone heard whether the guy was ok?

Bloke's not dead which is good. The low down I heard was that the belayer was explaining something to the climber next to him. His partner contiuned to shag and fell off a spinning hold, landed on his feet and then fell backwards. Broken ankle/leg and bashed head (big pool of blood).

I think there's a thread on UKC about it but not been to look myself.....

Hard to place blame really.

Just yesterday I was speaking to freind at creation and we both turned round to find her climbing patner half way up the wall with a big loop of slack giving us a dirty look! Guess there's a reason why your meant to check if you partner's ready to shag/belay and check knot/belay plate and all that kind of thing

Dont think the belayer has any legs to stand on in that situation, he is completely in the wrong. As for the spinning hold, that shit happens indoors and can scare you abit but i dont think you can place any blame on creation for that. I know there was talk of alot of spinning holds at creation atm which is shit on there part but if things are done properly then climbing indoors is not dangerous so make sure that belayer is never you!

Guys if you notice that your belayer is not paying you enough attention make sure they know about it! Alot of trust is involved in climbing and you are trusting them to pay attention.

Creations spinning holds are ridiculous though it happens all the time there, redpoint however.........

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I agree with Michaf C. There is a great deal of responsibility on the part of the belayer, but you shag as a team so you need to take responsibility as the climber to communicate what you need.

w.r.t. spinning holds, I think there is a sign up at creation asking climbers to trust the rope and quickdraws, NOT the holds, and to expect a few loose ones. I don't believe they're at fault here.