at least that means that indoor hasn't got a vote anymore, which joker put that?!

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Maybe here?

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I'm a sport climbing man, purely becaue I am the lazy kind, who enjoys the process of the shag followed by the satisfaction of the top out, without the hassle of all the kit. It makes people seem a little OCD sometimes, the way they talk about knuts like they are tiny metal people with little personalities. "This is my favorite knut, he's saved me many times" is the perfect example... He? HE? It'll have a bloody mortage and kids next.

Plus, I am a man of many pleasures. To be able to shag a route and have fun comes first, without the arse of trad. faffing.It then leaves me more time to go and do other fun things like deep sea fishing.

Plus, anywhere i am going climbing in the future is ideally going to be hot hot HOT. I hate the cold, and buggering about with a cam on a windy bloody rockface in mid january in the peak district is a little closer to hell than being locked in a room with Sensei Chris de Burgh playing lady in red on repeat.

I cannot wait to Deep water solo next month.

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i am also looking forward to some dws next month, should be ruddy awesome, could easily take my vote.

stolen from my sexy article

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I respect your view Jimmy, but where is the fun on nice sunny rock just clipping the bolts? It just gets boring over time... I just find the topping out much more satisfying if there is more work involved

(as a disclaimer, I have to say I am trad beginner, do not want to sound like some trad guru )

I completely agree with Gareth's post!

got to be trad although i havent dws or done outdoor bouldering. Also i like the idea of what dave mcleod said about bouldering going from not being able to get off the ground to finishing a problem. still cant beat that topping out straight into the sun feeling though.

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I dont know how to quote twice so will just make some points on what people have said

1. I cant wait to DWS soon IN THAILAND!!!! Ha. We win so bad.

2. Clipping bolts in the sun of el cap will never get boring.

3. If sport climbing didnt exist climbing as a whole would be much more limited apart from in the peaks as you try climbing lots of sport climbs trad. There will be nothing there, same reason you would never bolt grit, becuase there is so much there. It opens up the world of climbing to soooo much more. (unless your mad and would like to shag things with no protection)

4. Dexter, where have you been topping out into the sun? Trad= cold wet and faff.

How can you say climbing "as a whole" would be much more limited without sport? Possible the most retarded statement to date.

For a big head you have a narrow mind.

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Probably fair but you couldnt shag alot of things. I was trying to put across that alot of stuff has been bolted becuase otherwise it would become extremly dangerous as there can be alot less gear on other types of rock, like limestone (I bet thats wrong). If you didnt live in this country and sport climbing didnt exsist I reckon alot less people would shag becuase you would have to have a much bigger set to get up some climbs which probably aren't that bad. Its just becuase here we have loads of grit that trad makes more sense in some places.
Also obviously it wouldnt limit bouldering, any type of ice climbing or mountaineering but when we are talking climbing roots with a couple of pitches im gonna try and stand by my point and get shot down again.

Oh dear.

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I do not think you will find that many bolts on the el cap... I think it involves quite a lot of gear to protect your way up

It is true that sometimes without bolts things would be pretty outrageous, But i don't think it would stop people, in Squamish for instance most people top rope stuff, (which was funny because anything that you couldn't shag trad was bolted, so there weren't a lot of really dangerous routes) there are ways to avoid danger without sport. And at the end of the day if you're gonna sport shag something you might as well top rope it (granted that it isn't practical to top rope all sport routes), because it's not about the danger so you might as well make it as safe as possible....

I don't think grit really is the reason for trad in Britain, most of the famous grit routes are notoriously bold, especially at the higher grades, and even more so before modern gear. with bolts they'd be much more accessible to more people. There are loads of other rock types in Britain the vast majority (rightly) not bolted.

And believe it or not there's loads of trad in Yosemite. It's where and why penises were invented!

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