If they did they would do the xmas bouldering trip
So first off
Where: The glorious . . . Cratcliffe
When: saturday the 26th of november Meeting at the munrow at 8am
how much: £10 for non drivers and free to all drivers (yes you heard free)

sign up as of this wednesday so bring your monies along numbers are limited only by mats and drivers
if you cant make it this wednesday or next give me a ring on 07595747352 and I can arrange to meet up
this trip is a great introduction to outdoor bouldering whether you like it indoors or not and since its only a day trip if you have loads of work for the weekend like me you still have sunday to get it all done


Car list is as follows

Dexters Don't know where were going mobile
Rich
Bill

Annies back and shoulders wagon
The coxinator
Jack browman
Harry T

Dans Gay mobile
Indi
Will the 2nd
Saadat

crackacs' air ambulance

Paul
KMFJ
The sasquatch aka sarah

Sensei Chris' Crankin' it out car

Josh S
Frank
Vera

Bring climbing shoes, some form of walking shoes, waterproofs food and if you have mats bring them too.

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pain is just weakness leaving the body

Not that I'm bothered, as I have a project at churnet, but how comes here rather than somewhere like the roaches which may have a few better 'entry level' problems?

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Resident climbing ninja

I'm up for this, can drive and should have a mat.

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I love wet, dirty cracks......

and MILFs

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Miss Jeanes

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Miss Jeanes

Potentially yes if the weather is good, no pies in a pub for me though i'm afraid, me and my car will certainly be heading straight back. I think churnet is a good shout, there's bags of easier stuff at the cottage rocks area

katie theres a pretty awesome tea shop where the parking is and the do a mean cream tea

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pain is just weakness leaving the body

Everyone in the UBMC is (excuse my bad language) nails and will crush the hell out of Churnet. Plus those who get bored get to go for a walk in the beautiful Churnet Valley. If it rains then you can fill the Rambler's Retreat for tea and amazing apple pie. It's also only just over an hour rather than most peak crags which are 2h, which makes a big difference on a late Movember day.

I would say the individual crags at Churnet are a tad small for a large group though. You will probably end up having a shit load of people at Cottage Rock which isn't too good for the wear and tear on the rock. The car park is also probably not a place to loiter around in (access-wise).

It's hard to deviate from the norm, Cratcliffe and Burbage South, maybe it'll work maybe it won't! I'm sure most will find something they will enjoy doing. Shame Alton Towers is closed....

Oh and you're lucky Dexter isn't trying to organise this to Raven Tor. I'm sure it took some heavy persuasion to change his mind...

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massive punter

It takes an hour and 20 to get to churnet. It takes 10 minutes longer to get to the roaches and the crags round there and 20 minutes longer to get to cratcliffe and the crags there, that's hardly going to make much difference. there are still plenty of hours in the day to get stuff done.

Breaking the norm isn't the difficult (we always used to go to Burbage until I suggested Cratcliffe, and went to the roaches last year) you just need a good reason to change, elitism isn't one.

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Girls like three things: Danger, Boners and R1oss' guns.

please can I come? i am never ever at redpoint so never get to sign up to these exciting ventures!!!

Tom, when I said hard to deviate from the norm I meant that it was hard to choose better crags than those. I think Burbage South is a cracking crag to take people out for their first or second day out on the boulders. Especially as it's on the mighty grit stone in a great setting and with good photo potential. You can pretty much see everyone across the crag.

The Roaches is an ideal location but I think the club have already been there this year? Nice to try out different crags and even more so, different rock types. Even the grit is different in the Eastern to the Western. Nothing to do with elitism, just variation.

Oh and 2h should have been for Eastern Peak Crags hence the confusion.

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massive punter

I'm sorry if I offended you Jay, I didn't mean to!

I'm all for trying out different crags, I walked 2 hours across a bog once to some crappy boulders, just to go somewhere new, and have spent days looking for crags that turn out not to be all they're cracked up to be, but it isn't about variation.

Those new to climbing probably haven't been to many places so anywhere is new to them, no variation there. And those who have bouldered before have probably been to chrunet so there's no variation there.

At the end of the day those who get the most out of churnet are those that shag hard, there isn't nearly as much to offer those that don't shag so hard. By choosing a crag like that the trip has become, intentionally or not, elitist.

But then as you said all the rubbish people can go for a walk

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Girls like three things: Danger, Boners and R1oss' guns.

Right I understand now. I agree completely. I didn't want to criticise dexter's choice of venue tho, hence why i said maybe it will work and maybe it won't. I would argue that churnet is perfect for mid level climbers and for small groups. It's not so elitist because there is only a small offering of harder problems which are spread out. It's hardly parisella's/the bowderstone. It does have a lot of lower end stuff. Which is what i mentioned. And as i already said i think that it will feel very crowded especially at cottage. The rambler's probably don't want to see 20 students trampling through the vegetation. I'v been to churnet and just walked before. It's amazing. Proper lord of the rings style. Peak moor land is all very similar, churnet offers a vastly different environment. Plus it's a close to font as we've got. Although the boulders at cratcliffe are amazing. And secret garden. Unless there is something i don't understand, getting bored and being rubbish have different meanings. Mirf found witness the churnitness because he just went for a walk one day because he was bored. Not because he was rubbish.

You didn't offend me, i just thought i needed to explain what i wrote to you. I think we are both talking about the same thing but in a different way. This is turning into a replica of a different argument we had a few years ago. Those were the good times...

I don't know, maybe i should also suggest that we drop the scotland trip as well and replace it with a trip to ceuse. People who can't cope can go for a walk.

I will fight you next time you're at redpoint.

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Miss Jeanes

Jesus Christ you lot...are you coming on the bloody trip or not!?

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A new man. . . No longer 'Vaguely Paralytic'